{"id":13225,"date":"2024-03-02T04:24:10","date_gmt":"2024-03-02T04:24:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/congokin.blog\/?p=13225"},"modified":"2024-03-02T04:28:36","modified_gmt":"2024-03-02T04:28:36","slug":"en-reponse-a-ntumba-kapinga","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/congokin.blog\/?p=13225","title":{"rendered":"En r\u00e9ponse a Ntumba Kapinga"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Cher Kapinga,<\/strong><gwmw style=\"display:none;\"><\/gwmw><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-pale-cyan-blue-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\">Je vous conseille la patience \u00a0et la \u00a0courtoisie dans les d\u00e9bats.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-pale-cyan-blue-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\">Certes, il est de votre droit de poser des questions, &nbsp;mais rien ne sert \u00e0 vouloir perturber la pr\u00e9sentation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-pale-cyan-blue-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\">Si vous avez &nbsp;appris &nbsp;l\u2019existence de ce livre par le &nbsp;web, comment pouvez-vous pr\u00e9tendre \u00eatre le seul congolais \u00e0 l\u2019avoir lu&nbsp;? D\u2019ailleurs, l\u2019avez-vous lu&nbsp;?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-pale-cyan-blue-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\">Le sujet&nbsp; &nbsp;qui&nbsp; nous int\u00e9resse&nbsp; est &nbsp;moins &nbsp;le compte rendu du livre que &nbsp;la conversation qu\u2019avez eue l\u2019auteur du livre avec Pr Stephen Weismann qui&nbsp; est une des notori\u00e9t\u00e9s scientifique &nbsp;sur les questions de la RDC.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-pale-cyan-blue-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\">\u00c0 propos de l\u2019assassinat de Lumumba et de l\u2019exclusion des lumumbistes, voici ce Pr Weismann &nbsp;dit dans la vid\u00e9o &nbsp;dans l\u2019intervalle [4&nbsp;:50-6&nbsp;:12]<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-luminous-vivid-amber-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\">The death itself, and the death meaning his physical death and the fact that because of it he could not be a factor in the Congo&rsquo;s politics had a lot of consequences.<gwmw style=\"display:none;\"><\/gwmw><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-luminous-vivid-amber-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\">It confirmed the course that had been pursued by the Eisenhower administration and was beginning to be pursued by the Kennedy administration of excluding Lumumba&rsquo;s followers because they were considered too far to the left, too militant, too anti-western.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-luminous-vivid-amber-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\">But that That led directly to very bloody rebellions in the Congo.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-luminous-vivid-amber-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\">No one knows how many people were killed in the Lumumbist rebellions in 1964 to 1967, but some people number it in the hundreds of thousands, both the direct violence and the repression and some of the violence by the rebellions themselves, but also in terms of the starvation of people&nbsp; hiding in the forest and that sort of thing<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-luminous-vivid-amber-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\">And you had, of course, after the defeat of these rebellions, the defeat of this movement which had been quite popular in the Congo, the rise of the Mobutu tyranny, and then the failed state, which we all know has been an international problem since, and one can&rsquo;t hang everything on Lumumba&rsquo;s assassination, but I think it was a step, an important step toward the Congo we have today.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Concernant la comparaison entre la RDC et l\u2019Indon\u00e9sie, il n\u2019y a certainement pas eu &nbsp;\u00ab&nbsp;d\u2019\u00e9quivalence&nbsp;\u00bb,&nbsp; mais des \u00ab&nbsp;similitudes&nbsp;\u00bb concernant &nbsp;les m\u00e9thodes &nbsp;coloniales hollandaises en Indon\u00e9sie et belges au Congo. Mais les deux pays ont pris de voies divergentes &nbsp;dans leurs&nbsp; d\u00e9veloppements &nbsp;postcoloniaux. Beaucoup d\u2019experts se sont pench\u00e9s sur la question du &nbsp;parall\u00e9lisme entre les deux pays. Si vous l\u2019ignorez, cela ne signifie pas que \u00e7a n\u2019existe pas&nbsp;!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ainsi nous vous avons cit\u00e9 le livre de\u00a0 Frankema et Buelens. Ci-dessous la couverture.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><gwmw style=\"display:none;\"><\/gwmw><gwmw style=\"display:none;\"><\/gwmw><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized is-style-zoooom\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"485\" height=\"741\" src=\"https:\/\/congokin.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/image-1.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-13226\" style=\"width:839px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/congokin.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/image-1.png 485w, https:\/\/congokin.blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/image-1-196x300.png 196w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 485px) 100vw, 485px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Vouloir donner l\u2019impression que vous connaissez toutes \u00a0les r\u00e9f\u00e9rences \u00a0\u00a0cit\u00e9es dans les interventions des autres ne vous sert pas. C\u2019est la vantardise mal plac\u00e9e. Certes, il est facile de trouver quelques \u00a0informations\u00a0 gr\u00e2ce au moteur de recherche,\u00a0 notamment Google. Mais \u00a0ceci ne donne qu&rsquo;une vue superficielle \u00a0des \u00a0sujets. Vous feriez mieux d&rsquo;apprendre que de vouloir corriger.<gwmw style=\"display:none;\"><\/gwmw><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Dr Nyembo Kitenge<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-luminous-vivid-amber-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"wps-pgfw-pdf-generate-icon__wrapper-frontend pgfw-icon-display pgfw-icon-display--default\" style=\"--pgfw-icon-justify:center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/congokin.blog?action=genpdf&#038;id=13225\" class=\"pgfw-single-pdf-download-button pgfw-single-pdf-download-button--default pgfw-single-pdf-download-button--icon-only\" title=\"G\u00e9n\u00e9rer un PDF\" style=\"--pgfw-icon-width:25px;--pgfw-icon-height:45px;\" aria-label=\"Download PDF\"><span class=\"pgfw-single-pdf-download-button__media\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><img src=\"https:\/\/congokin.blog\/wp-content\/plugins\/pdf-generator-for-wp\/admin\/src\/images\/PDF_Tray.svg\" alt=\"\" decoding=\"async\"><\/span><\/a><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Cher Kapinga, Je vous conseille la patience \u00a0et la \u00a0courtoisie dans les d\u00e9bats. Certes, il est de votre droit de poser des questions, &nbsp;mais rien ne sert \u00e0 vouloir perturber la pr\u00e9sentation. Si vous avez &nbsp;appris &nbsp;l\u2019existence de ce livre par le &nbsp;web, comment pouvez-vous pr\u00e9tendre \u00eatre le seul congolais \u00e0 l\u2019avoir lu&nbsp;? D\u2019ailleurs, l\u2019avez-vous [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[2,4,12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-13225","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-analyse","category-documents","category-opinions"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/congokin.blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13225","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/congokin.blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/congokin.blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/congokin.blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/congokin.blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=13225"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/congokin.blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13225\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":13227,"href":"https:\/\/congokin.blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13225\/revisions\/13227"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/congokin.blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=13225"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/congokin.blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=13225"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/congokin.blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=13225"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}